The Zionist project, whatever validity you might think that it had in terms of Jewish history and Jewish redemption, could only be accomplished at the expense of the people that had already been living in that land for a long time. And that’s been the dilemma. So that means that out of the Jewish trauma, a trauma had to be imposed on the local population. It could not have been done in any other way. Zionism granted people without a land a land without a people. But there is no land without a people.

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